Prashant
06-29 05:57 PM
If the DOS has common sense they would be better off to retrogess for august, I am pretty sure they will be aware of the class action law suit thats gonna come upon them if they try to revise the july bulletin
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fatjoe
10-05 10:55 PM
Congrats SoP. I knew you would get it soon as mentioned in my previous post. All of your efforts got paid off. Yes, I might need your help in writing a touchy letter to Napolitino.
Could you post the main body of theletter that you sent to Napolitino.
Folks,
Today at 2:03 PM EST I received the coveted CPO mail for my wife. I was approved on Sept 3rd and was the primary and I have not yet received the CPO as there is Biometrics issue, my wife had the same issue but the vagaries of USCIS which is worse than Indian monsoon...
I wish Caliguy, Fatjoe, Apb and many others who are at or older than my PD get their approval soon. If I can be of assistance in any way to you guys please let me know....My wife her case was separated from me and I was worried that it fell thru the cracks..but my persistence with all the channels especially congressional and POJ I guessed did it.
Not that you guys are leaving any stone unturned but just keep trying...
She was at initial review stage till Oct 2nd and not preadjudicated and separated from primary case and bingo on 5th she jumped to CPO...
You really never know...
Take care and I'll still be visiting IV and commenting and helping out..
SoP
Could you post the main body of theletter that you sent to Napolitino.
Folks,
Today at 2:03 PM EST I received the coveted CPO mail for my wife. I was approved on Sept 3rd and was the primary and I have not yet received the CPO as there is Biometrics issue, my wife had the same issue but the vagaries of USCIS which is worse than Indian monsoon...
I wish Caliguy, Fatjoe, Apb and many others who are at or older than my PD get their approval soon. If I can be of assistance in any way to you guys please let me know....My wife her case was separated from me and I was worried that it fell thru the cracks..but my persistence with all the channels especially congressional and POJ I guessed did it.
Not that you guys are leaving any stone unturned but just keep trying...
She was at initial review stage till Oct 2nd and not preadjudicated and separated from primary case and bingo on 5th she jumped to CPO...
You really never know...
Take care and I'll still be visiting IV and commenting and helping out..
SoP
gc28262
06-14 02:36 PM
How many times in this thread I have mentioned that I am getting replaced by one of these L-1B resource, I am a poor Oracle/DB developer who fortunately cannot be replaced by L-1B visa resources (as my skills is a common technical one). So once these violations impact your day to day life you look around for ways to stop this fraud. Its true that if I was a Nuero Surgeon in Phily or a Astro Scientist in Houston I wouldn't be interested in this violation :-) .... tomorrow let this scenario happen to you ... you would be first one to raise the alert.
Regarding 'getting burnt', I don't think there is bigger burn than loosing our jobs (which already is happening) and hope you know that there is something called 'anonymity'... ya lets see whos going to get 'burnt' here. We'll definetly keep you updated regarding the outcome.
l1fraud,
I sympathize with you. If your job is getting impacted by this, you have every right to complain.
On a friendly note, you need to upgrade your skill. You cannot survive on just oracle/db development.
Regarding 'getting burnt', I don't think there is bigger burn than loosing our jobs (which already is happening) and hope you know that there is something called 'anonymity'... ya lets see whos going to get 'burnt' here. We'll definetly keep you updated regarding the outcome.
l1fraud,
I sympathize with you. If your job is getting impacted by this, you have every right to complain.
On a friendly note, you need to upgrade your skill. You cannot survive on just oracle/db development.
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satyasaich
01-10 09:48 AM
Subject: From the office of Congressman Todd Akin
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:25:23 -0500
Thank you for contacting me and expressing concern regarding
immigration.
As you are aware, the massive influx of illegal aliens is one of the
most important issues confronting our nation. According to the Center for
Immigration Studies, there are at least 8 million illegal immigrants in
the United States. The United States Census Bureau estimates that the
illegal population in the United States grows by at least 500,000 per
year. All Americans have good reason to be concerned about this issue,
given the dynamics of assimilation, language and employment raised by
illegal immigration.
Amnesty proposals and guest worker permits are just some of the options
that Congress currently is considering. Another possibility is the H2B
Working Visa, which allows foreign nationals to enter the United States
temporarily to meet a one-time need in non-agricultural employment.
This is a good option, but I would not support H2B visas whose provisions
could not be enforced strictly and were not offset by immigration
cutbacks in some other area.
The problem with most of the options before us is that they do not deal
with the fundamental problem at hand: Millions of immigrants have
entered the country illegally. When we can establish firm, thorough and
effective enforcement measures we can better address the appropriate level
and need for H1 and L1 visas.
Border control is essential for our economic and physical security. I
appreciate your deep concern with this issue, and will keep your
thoughts in mind as Congress considers our legislative options.
Again, thank you for contacting me. Feel free to contact me again if I
might be of assistance in the future
----------
Indeed i approached him specifically for backlog reduction and other important features (similar to those in S1932 Sec8001) but i got the above response.
Anyway, one thing is very clear: We need to increase efforts in a much productive manner to clearly emphasise on legal immigration which is broken & SHALL NEVER be kept in the same tray of illegal immigration
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:25:23 -0500
Thank you for contacting me and expressing concern regarding
immigration.
As you are aware, the massive influx of illegal aliens is one of the
most important issues confronting our nation. According to the Center for
Immigration Studies, there are at least 8 million illegal immigrants in
the United States. The United States Census Bureau estimates that the
illegal population in the United States grows by at least 500,000 per
year. All Americans have good reason to be concerned about this issue,
given the dynamics of assimilation, language and employment raised by
illegal immigration.
Amnesty proposals and guest worker permits are just some of the options
that Congress currently is considering. Another possibility is the H2B
Working Visa, which allows foreign nationals to enter the United States
temporarily to meet a one-time need in non-agricultural employment.
This is a good option, but I would not support H2B visas whose provisions
could not be enforced strictly and were not offset by immigration
cutbacks in some other area.
The problem with most of the options before us is that they do not deal
with the fundamental problem at hand: Millions of immigrants have
entered the country illegally. When we can establish firm, thorough and
effective enforcement measures we can better address the appropriate level
and need for H1 and L1 visas.
Border control is essential for our economic and physical security. I
appreciate your deep concern with this issue, and will keep your
thoughts in mind as Congress considers our legislative options.
Again, thank you for contacting me. Feel free to contact me again if I
might be of assistance in the future
----------
Indeed i approached him specifically for backlog reduction and other important features (similar to those in S1932 Sec8001) but i got the above response.
Anyway, one thing is very clear: We need to increase efforts in a much productive manner to clearly emphasise on legal immigration which is broken & SHALL NEVER be kept in the same tray of illegal immigration
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jonty_11
06-25 05:55 PM
Posting my case, in case someone in similar situation is interested.
Self : PD July 2002 -EB3
Spouse : PD Feb 2006 - EB3.
Suggested by our lawyers.
File my I-485 with spouse as dependent,
File my spouse's I-485 with me as dependent mentioning receipt notice of first I-485.
File for only one set of EAD and AP docs. Doesn't matter with which.
Filing both in July '07.
Yes, that seems to be the safest...
only pitfall seems to be as Pappu mentioned - when u enquire abt one case, INS may not be sure which one to respond for, as u will have 2 applications under 1 alien Number. This may hold true for adjudication also, and may delay ur case.
Self : PD July 2002 -EB3
Spouse : PD Feb 2006 - EB3.
Suggested by our lawyers.
File my I-485 with spouse as dependent,
File my spouse's I-485 with me as dependent mentioning receipt notice of first I-485.
File for only one set of EAD and AP docs. Doesn't matter with which.
Filing both in July '07.
Yes, that seems to be the safest...
only pitfall seems to be as Pappu mentioned - when u enquire abt one case, INS may not be sure which one to respond for, as u will have 2 applications under 1 alien Number. This may hold true for adjudication also, and may delay ur case.
kuhelica2000
01-26 05:46 PM
The reason transit visas are required in the UK is that many passengers with an intention to transit the UK have stayed. The transit visa was introduced as a way of making sure (as much as possible) that the passenger has the intention and the ability to transit the UK and to enter a third country.
-->How does a transit visa prevents someone from staying in the UK. "Transit" means you are not even getting out of the airport. People who overstay in the UK likely entered the UK on a UK visa
It really does not matter what anyone thinks about the transit visa requirement because it is UK law. Everyone has a choice whether or not to transit the UK. Going back to the original post, to book a ticket without researching visa requirements and then trying to deflect personal responsibility by blaming the visa requirement is ridiculous
Yes, it matters. If we can educate our fellow members about the hassel of transit through UK, they will avoid UK if they have other options. And that will make UK rethink their policies.
It really is amazing how much hot air has been generated on this thread over a well established transit visa requirement.
The reason transit visas are required in the UK is that many passengers with an intention to transit the UK have stayed. The transit visa was introduced as a way of making sure (as much as possible) that the passenger has the intention and the ability to transit the UK and to enter a third country.
The list of nationals that are required to have a visa to transit the UK represents a list of countries where there has been a particular problem with over stayers. It is not race based, but merely an effort to target the problem.
It really does not matter what anyone thinks about the transit visa requirement because it is UK law. Everyone has a choice whether or not to transit the UK. Going back to the original post, to book a ticket without researching visa requirements and then trying to deflect personal responsibility by blaming the visa requirement is ridiculous.
-->How does a transit visa prevents someone from staying in the UK. "Transit" means you are not even getting out of the airport. People who overstay in the UK likely entered the UK on a UK visa
It really does not matter what anyone thinks about the transit visa requirement because it is UK law. Everyone has a choice whether or not to transit the UK. Going back to the original post, to book a ticket without researching visa requirements and then trying to deflect personal responsibility by blaming the visa requirement is ridiculous
Yes, it matters. If we can educate our fellow members about the hassel of transit through UK, they will avoid UK if they have other options. And that will make UK rethink their policies.
It really is amazing how much hot air has been generated on this thread over a well established transit visa requirement.
The reason transit visas are required in the UK is that many passengers with an intention to transit the UK have stayed. The transit visa was introduced as a way of making sure (as much as possible) that the passenger has the intention and the ability to transit the UK and to enter a third country.
The list of nationals that are required to have a visa to transit the UK represents a list of countries where there has been a particular problem with over stayers. It is not race based, but merely an effort to target the problem.
It really does not matter what anyone thinks about the transit visa requirement because it is UK law. Everyone has a choice whether or not to transit the UK. Going back to the original post, to book a ticket without researching visa requirements and then trying to deflect personal responsibility by blaming the visa requirement is ridiculous.
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eb3_nepa
07-10 10:44 AM
I still think, the USA is the best place for democracy loving people. Govt and its agencies try their best to be accountable to law. Now if you want our Immigration issue to be put before IRAQ in the Congress, I would think that is selfishness. I have colleagues whose sons are in IRAQ. For me their lives are more important than my GC. Now that does not mean we stop making our point to Congress.
Vinabath i do NOT expect the nation to put Legal Immigration before the IRAQ WAR. Ofcourse I do not expect that. What I am trying to point out is that this is going to be a LONG LONG ongoing issue and if not the war, there will be OTHER issues like the presedential elections etc.
On another note, the US is a capitalistic economy. If you are not selfish, ur a nice guy and nice guys finish LAST.
Vinabath i do NOT expect the nation to put Legal Immigration before the IRAQ WAR. Ofcourse I do not expect that. What I am trying to point out is that this is going to be a LONG LONG ongoing issue and if not the war, there will be OTHER issues like the presedential elections etc.
On another note, the US is a capitalistic economy. If you are not selfish, ur a nice guy and nice guys finish LAST.
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gc_on_demand
09-16 12:15 PM
There are some positive news regarding this bills.
(1) As some one mentioned despite tight dead line and pressure for Energy bill House committe is attempting to Markup bill which tells lot. They must have seen light at end of tunnel so they are taking risk. They will not touch if chances are less than 99 % becasue there are lots of bills pending needs action.
(2) As per NumberUSA Senate leader is doing some thing in back door. Means there must be deal going on between dems and some reps to pass Everify- recapture bill before end of sep.
(3) Last time when (9/10 ) when bill was about to discuss NumberUSA has big RED bar for action iteam . This time it is coming back and with no of co-sponser / favor increase , number USA is missing that red bar. Means they have accepted that bill will pass.
See first post by papau.. No of favor / cosponser are more now. So our calling is working.. There are some lawmakers that we need to focus. Spe. reps . Please call to them and once you think you are done and have little time call Those 3 anti lawmakers. I think we will see some light tomorrow.
(1) As some one mentioned despite tight dead line and pressure for Energy bill House committe is attempting to Markup bill which tells lot. They must have seen light at end of tunnel so they are taking risk. They will not touch if chances are less than 99 % becasue there are lots of bills pending needs action.
(2) As per NumberUSA Senate leader is doing some thing in back door. Means there must be deal going on between dems and some reps to pass Everify- recapture bill before end of sep.
(3) Last time when (9/10 ) when bill was about to discuss NumberUSA has big RED bar for action iteam . This time it is coming back and with no of co-sponser / favor increase , number USA is missing that red bar. Means they have accepted that bill will pass.
See first post by papau.. No of favor / cosponser are more now. So our calling is working.. There are some lawmakers that we need to focus. Spe. reps . Please call to them and once you think you are done and have little time call Those 3 anti lawmakers. I think we will see some light tomorrow.
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Das73
05-09 11:57 AM
You should be able to file I-140 after your LC got cleared.
EB-3's visa dates are at '08-MAY-01', so you can not file I-485 until visa dates move to SEP 01[You don't need to wait for the Visa dates to current].
May be your lawyer is busy & thinking about some other case. Remind him about your priority date !
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Hi
My PD is sept 2001. India. I would like to know if i can file I140 and I485 concurently? My attorney says I can. Only thing they will not do anything with 485 until the visa numbers become current. Is this true?
Any help in answering my question is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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EB-3's visa dates are at '08-MAY-01', so you can not file I-485 until visa dates move to SEP 01[You don't need to wait for the Visa dates to current].
May be your lawyer is busy & thinking about some other case. Remind him about your priority date !
================================================== ======
Hi
My PD is sept 2001. India. I would like to know if i can file I140 and I485 concurently? My attorney says I can. Only thing they will not do anything with 485 until the visa numbers become current. Is this true?
Any help in answering my question is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Canadian_Dream
11-25 02:09 PM
Buying house is not much different than buying stocks - both of them are investments at the most fundamental level and are hence susceptible to ups and downs. If you don't have stomach for it just don't do it.
Almost similar except:
1. You can't sell with a single click on E-Trade
2. Unlike stocks You pay taxes on your house every year.
3. You are leveraged 1:5 in your investment.
4. Your real estate investment is based on debt while stock (with an exception of margin calls) is purely on cash.
5. In stock you can never loose more than you invested. (again margin calls are exception)
6. You don't pay to play or you don't constantly have to pay to keep what you have invested.
7. Govt don't give you tax breaks to buy stock.
8. Equity holders are never bailed out by govt.
That makes real estate much leveraged and bigger liability than stock could stock ever be. And somehow govt. wants to promote home owner society but discourage stock ownership or saving minded frugal individual investors like us.
Almost similar except:
1. You can't sell with a single click on E-Trade
2. Unlike stocks You pay taxes on your house every year.
3. You are leveraged 1:5 in your investment.
4. Your real estate investment is based on debt while stock (with an exception of margin calls) is purely on cash.
5. In stock you can never loose more than you invested. (again margin calls are exception)
6. You don't pay to play or you don't constantly have to pay to keep what you have invested.
7. Govt don't give you tax breaks to buy stock.
8. Equity holders are never bailed out by govt.
That makes real estate much leveraged and bigger liability than stock could stock ever be. And somehow govt. wants to promote home owner society but discourage stock ownership or saving minded frugal individual investors like us.
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JulyFiler
01-26 01:22 PM
I dont understand why people even bother to fly through BA. As soon as they say "transit visa" which means additional hassle..bye bye BA. We get strained enough with this 35 hour flights..we dont need any more headaches..they have a right to impose rules.(based on what's happening in their country)..and we have our right to choose..I would rather spend an extra couple of hours and fly through Singapore airlines, hassle free.
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Abhinaym
03-31 09:03 AM
Looks like this year USCIS understood they need some money and accept some extra applications, which may be the same file I485 when PD is not current. and date might go to end of 2007.
Just a thought
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trueguy
08-21 03:06 PM
Here is the link I was referring to in my earlier post: http://immigration-information.com/forums/blog.php?b=13
I'm not sure whether USCIS ever *appologized* per say but the second paragraph from the link above supports my earlier argument that the new spill-over policy (which in my personal opinion is more rational) is not a random, ad hoc decision by USCIS but rather a careful one after consulting congress etc.
This is not a proof that DOS apologized. Ron Gotcher is a good lawyer but what he mentioned on his blog cann't be used in court. Anyways, thanks.
I'm not sure whether USCIS ever *appologized* per say but the second paragraph from the link above supports my earlier argument that the new spill-over policy (which in my personal opinion is more rational) is not a random, ad hoc decision by USCIS but rather a careful one after consulting congress etc.
This is not a proof that DOS apologized. Ron Gotcher is a good lawyer but what he mentioned on his blog cann't be used in court. Anyways, thanks.
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dingudi
01-31 10:20 AM
How do you know that experience in Canada or Mexico will be any different from experience in India? It can be only better at a consulate that hasn't yet implemented PIMS, which I don't think there are any at this point. At least you are at home with family. I think the worst is to be stuck in Canada or Mexico for a month. I think the moral of the story is to use AP whenever possible.
I personally know at least couple of friends who went to canada in the hopes that they will get the stamp earlier. But both of them were stuck because of PIMS for weeks. One was stuck for 6 weeks and other 5 weeks.
So I do not think revalidation in India or canada or mexico really matters.
I personally know at least couple of friends who went to canada in the hopes that they will get the stamp earlier. But both of them were stuck because of PIMS for weeks. One was stuck for 6 weeks and other 5 weeks.
So I do not think revalidation in India or canada or mexico really matters.
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factoryman
05-16 06:14 PM
after filing for I-485 on Jun 1. Also filing for EAD for self and 3 family members. EB3 Nov 2001. H1B stamped in visa valid till Oct 2008.
Do I need to wait for Receipt of Filing?
Cancellations charges ( USD 200 per ticket - 4 tickets) and new tickets (difference of 300 per ticket - 4 tickets) will cost a lot. Anyone else in similar situations? Anyone know something? Anything?
Do I need to wait for Receipt of Filing?
Cancellations charges ( USD 200 per ticket - 4 tickets) and new tickets (difference of 300 per ticket - 4 tickets) will cost a lot. Anyone else in similar situations? Anyone know something? Anything?
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chanduv23
07-11 07:28 AM
http://samachar.com/showurl.php?rurl=http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14490148
Green card seekers take to 'Gandhigiri' in US
Wednesday, 11 July , 2007, 11:13
Washington: In an eloquent display of Gandhigiri, unhappy Indian green card seekers sent hundreds of flowers to the US immigration agency to protest a last minute reversal in policy that would impede their way to permanent residency.
Inspired by the hit Hindi movie Lage Raho Munnabhai that extolled Gandhian ways of non-violent protest, the green card applicants plan to send around a thousand flower deliveries to US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Emilio Gonzalez in a three-day campaign that started on Tuesday.
The protest followed the abrupt reversal last week of a June announcement offering expedited processing of green card petitions for thousands of skilled foreign professionals working under H1-B visas - reserved for skilled workers in computing, engineering and other special professions.
Thousands of such visa holders scrambled and spent money on lawyers and medical exams to beat the July 1 deadline for green card applications. The abrupt change sent them back to the queue for 2008.
Besides India, skilled workers from China, Poland and many other countries will now have to spend more time and money to get the coveted green cards - a halfway house to US citizenship.
"The idea is to push them to honour their earlier notification," said Aman Kapoor, founder of Immigration Voice, a forum that inspired the unusual protest.
Indians are the worst hit by country quota caps for immigration visas, which treat a billion strong India, boasting a highly skilled workforce, on par with a country like Trinidad and Tobago of one million souls, he said.
On its part, the USCIS response was equally pacific. It plans to forward the flowers to Walter Reed Army Medical Centre and Bethesda Naval Hospital in Washington, the main facilities treating US soldiers wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Gonzales in a statement on the agency website.
Green card seekers take to 'Gandhigiri' in US
Wednesday, 11 July , 2007, 11:13
Washington: In an eloquent display of Gandhigiri, unhappy Indian green card seekers sent hundreds of flowers to the US immigration agency to protest a last minute reversal in policy that would impede their way to permanent residency.
Inspired by the hit Hindi movie Lage Raho Munnabhai that extolled Gandhian ways of non-violent protest, the green card applicants plan to send around a thousand flower deliveries to US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Emilio Gonzalez in a three-day campaign that started on Tuesday.
The protest followed the abrupt reversal last week of a June announcement offering expedited processing of green card petitions for thousands of skilled foreign professionals working under H1-B visas - reserved for skilled workers in computing, engineering and other special professions.
Thousands of such visa holders scrambled and spent money on lawyers and medical exams to beat the July 1 deadline for green card applications. The abrupt change sent them back to the queue for 2008.
Besides India, skilled workers from China, Poland and many other countries will now have to spend more time and money to get the coveted green cards - a halfway house to US citizenship.
"The idea is to push them to honour their earlier notification," said Aman Kapoor, founder of Immigration Voice, a forum that inspired the unusual protest.
Indians are the worst hit by country quota caps for immigration visas, which treat a billion strong India, boasting a highly skilled workforce, on par with a country like Trinidad and Tobago of one million souls, he said.
On its part, the USCIS response was equally pacific. It plans to forward the flowers to Walter Reed Army Medical Centre and Bethesda Naval Hospital in Washington, the main facilities treating US soldiers wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, said Gonzales in a statement on the agency website.
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priderock
07-10 10:58 AM
I understand each and every part of that DOS statement.
Peace! Relax! Let's wait and watch!
I thought so too :) :). Your's was just wishful thinking.
Peace! Relax! Let's wait and watch!
I thought so too :) :). Your's was just wishful thinking.
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feedfront
09-24 05:57 PM
Got the CPO mails for myself and spouse.
11 years wait is over finally. I wish all the best for the remaining folks !!
Congratz!!! You got it on right time, celebrate whole weekend..
11 years wait is over finally. I wish all the best for the remaining folks !!
Congratz!!! You got it on right time, celebrate whole weekend..
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gc_wow
09-24 11:48 PM
Bharat Premi,
Is there any thing we could do abt providing some more details about this report they have put out?
Is there any thing we could do abt providing some more details about this report they have put out?
arml27
06-27 10:23 AM
Hi
I have a approved i140 with priority date of Dec 2004 EB2. My spouse has approved i140 with priority date Mar 2006 EB2.
Since it is not recomended to apply 2-1485's we decided to settle on mine. But then, since we both have our H1's for next 3 years, we don't want to use EAD and AP till the final process of GC is done.
My question is should we apply for EAD and AP or not. This question exists in the questionaire given by my employer.
Please advice.
Thanks,
Arml
I have a approved i140 with priority date of Dec 2004 EB2. My spouse has approved i140 with priority date Mar 2006 EB2.
Since it is not recomended to apply 2-1485's we decided to settle on mine. But then, since we both have our H1's for next 3 years, we don't want to use EAD and AP till the final process of GC is done.
My question is should we apply for EAD and AP or not. This question exists in the questionaire given by my employer.
Please advice.
Thanks,
Arml
dhesha
06-27 03:43 PM
Hi ,
I left the SSN for my wife blank in I-765
My attorney told me to fill in ITIN # if available.
My wife is on H4 and she do have ITIN#.
I am confused.
Can anybody please clarify.
Thanks In advance
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Contribution so far - $100
Can somebody answer this....
I left the SSN for my wife blank in I-765
My attorney told me to fill in ITIN # if available.
My wife is on H4 and she do have ITIN#.
I am confused.
Can anybody please clarify.
Thanks In advance
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Contribution so far - $100
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